(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Who was Jesus of Nazareth?
A: Advanced spirit.
Q: (L) Was Jesus an individual who had psychic or unusual powers from birth?
A: Close.
[Comment - Meaning what?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Did he have an awareness from the earliest times of his life that he was in some way special or chosen?
A: yes.
Q: (L) Was Jesus born from an immaculate conception; that is did his mother not have sex with a man in order to conceive him?
A: No.
Q: (L) She did have sex with a man in order to conceive him, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Who was the man with whom she had sex to Conceive Jesus?
A: Tonatha.
Q: (L) And who was this individual, Tonatha?
A: Acquaintance.
Q: (L) Was he selected for some reason to be the biological father of Jesus by other beings or powers.
A: Close.
Q: (L) Can you give us any details about him. What was his lineage, where did he come from, etc.
A: He was a member of the White Sect.
Q: (L) What is the white sect?
A: AKA Aryans. [(L) This one slipped right by me.]
Q: (L) Was Mary a member of the Essene group?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Was this man also a member of the Essenes?
A: No.
Q: (L) And this person, Tonatha, was chosen to be the biological father of Jesus?
A: Yes.
[Comment - Chosen by whom? For what purposes?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Why did Mary not marry him? [Laura the eternal romantic!]
A: Feelings were extremely transient. Influenced by telepathic suggestion. Hypnotized level 1.
[Comment - Is this any different than using Rohypnol or any of the date-rape drugs? How could any good have been involved if exploitive means had to be used to achieve a certain end - namely, impregnating a person who, apparently, had not consented to what transpired (otherwise, why should hypnotism have been involved)?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Jesus grew up to the age of twelve, at which point he was bar Mitzvahed, is that correct?
A: He was bar Mitzvahed at the age of 10. Aramaic rite.
Q: (L) Did Jesus, during the course of his growing up years travel to other countries and study under other masters?
A: No.
Q: (L) Where did he receive his teaching or training?
A: Channeled to him.
[Comment - In a sense, all authentic Revelations (e.g., the ones given to Abraham, David, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad - peace be on them all) constitute a form of channeling. The idea of channeling has attracted considerable notoriety in the last 50 years, or so, because of the many charlatans who profess to be channels for this or that source of Ancient Wisdom, but, in truth, authentic revelation is a channeled communication of Truth which goes from Divinity to a given Prophet, usually via the Archangel Gabriel (peace be opon him).]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Did he at any point in his life travel to India?
A: No. [This surprised us as MANY channeled sources have claimed this to be so.]
Q: (L) Did he travel to Egypt and undergo an initiation in the Great Pyramid?
A: No. [This also was a surprise in contradiction to our expectations as it was part of the "New Age" dogma!]
Q: (L) He lived his entire life in Palestine? [I was somewhat incredulous!]
A: Near. In that general area. The Bible is not entirely accurate.
Q: (L) When Jesus attended the marriage at Cana, whose wedding was it?
A: Did not happen.
Q: (L) Did Jesus feed thousands of people with a few loaves and fishes?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are you saying that all the miracles of the Bible are myths?
A: Remember this is corrupted information altered after the fact for purposes of political and economic gain and control.
[Comment - If the Cassiopaeans can claim that others were motivated by purposes of political and economic gain or control, then, why can’t the same charge be leveled against them? In other words, for ulterior, hidden purposes, they the Cassiopaeans may be spinning their own tales concerning Jesus (peace be upon him).
This is not to say that every aspect of the Biblical stories the Cassiopaeans are denying is necessarily true. However, whenever someone says that a story has been doctored, one has to ask the question of whether the person who is making such a claim is also introducing his or her own doctored version of things as the result of a hidden agenda of some kind.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Tell us what Jesus really did.
A: He taught spiritual truths to those starving for them.
[Comment - What were some of these spiritual truths that were taught? How did the Cassiopaeans acquire their alleged knowledge concerning Jesus (peace be upon him)?
Q: (L) And what was the basis of these spiritual truths?
A: Channeled information from higher sources.
[Comment - Who or what were these Higher Sources? What made such teachings 'truths' - the source or the content or both? Why was Jesus (peace be upon him) selected by these higher sources?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) What is the truth that Jesus taught?
A: That all men are loved by the creator and are ONE with same.
[Comment - Did Jesus (peace be upon him) teach only this one truth? In what way did the Creator love all men? What is the nature of love from the Divine perspective? What does it mean to be ONE with the Creator?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Did he perform any miracles?
A: Some.
[Comment - What do they consider a miracle to be? Reiki and telekinesis (two of the ‘miracles’ mentioned below) are not miracles so much as manifestations of already existent dimensions of human potential (like thinking and speaking). Miracles entail a breaking of the norms of physical/biological reality through Divine intervention in which events occur that could not have taken place through normal (even occult) means.]
Q: (L) Can you tell us about one or two of them?
A: Healing.
Q: (L) Was he able to literally heal with the touch of his hand?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he perform exorcisms?
A: Close.
[Comment - Close in what sense? Why don't Laura and company follow up on many of the “Close” answers in a more rigorous fashion?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Is Reiki the method he used to heal, or something similar?
A: Yes.
[Comment - The foregoing question is compound in nature and, therefore, one doesn’t really know what the the Cassiopaeans mean by their answer. For examples, they could be saying that the method which Jesus (peace be upon him) used to heal people was Reiki, or the Cassiopaeans could be referring to the idea that the means of healing people was something similar to Reiki but not Reiki.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Is there any way to enhance the Reiki energy to make it powerful enough that one could do in a very short time what now takes quite a while? [As it seems apparent that Jesus did.]
A: Yes.
Q: (L) What can one do to enhance the Reiki energy?
A: Attain lofty spiritual purity.
[Comment - Why suppose that spiritual healing comes from an enhanced source of Reiki energy? Why not consider the possibility that Reiki may function through certain kinds of energy fields associated with the body, whereas actual spiritual healing comes through a form of Grace which is not necessarily tied to, or mediated by, physical/material systems of causation?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Are the only miracles he did healing?
A: No.
Q: (L) What other kinds of miracles did he do?
A: Telekinesis.
[Comment - How is telekinesis a miracle? What makes telekinesis possible? Isn't it possible that to whatever extent telekinesis is a reality, then, this phenomenon might happen through unknown, but not necessarily miraculous, forces?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Did he walk on water?
A: No.
Q: (L) Did he turn water into wine?
A: No.
Q: (L) Are these all just stories?
A: Yes.
[Comment - How do we know that these are just stories? What is the proof of the truth of the claims made by the Cassiopaeans?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) What is the purpose of the stories?
A: Control.
[Comment - As noted earlier, for the very same reasons, the Cassiopaeans could be telling stories of their own in order to control human beings through disinformation and misinformation, scattered among possibly true statements.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.
Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.
Q: There was no crucifixion and no resurrection after three day? Is that correct?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?
A: He spent 96 hours in a comatose state in a cave near Jerusalem. When he awoke, he prophesied to his disciples and then exited the cave. 27,000 people had assembled because of mother ship appearance and he was taken up in a beam of light.
[Comment - And, is there any independent form of verification for such claims? What caused this 'comatose' state? What brought him out of it?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a ship came and picked him up?
A: Close.
Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?
A: They thought this.
Q: (L) Did he get up and say anything to anybody before he left on the ship?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Did he come back to life... so to speak...
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And then he told them things he had seen in his extended meditative sleep, is that what happened?
A: Close.
Q: (L) Okay, what happened?
A: Told prophecies then proclaimed eventual return.
[Comment - What were these prophecies? Are they true? If the Cassiopaeans could confirm the return of Jesus (peace be upon him), then, why couldn't they be more specific about some of the other prophecies?
It is interesting that there is a broad sort of agreement between what the Cassiopaeans are saying and the Islamic spiritual tradition on points such as: Jesus (peace be upon him) was not crucified; Jesus (peace be upon himi) was taken up into a state of occlusion (although the means and nature of the occlusion are different in each case, the idea is, basically, the same); his Prophecy about returning a second time; the contention that Mary was pure and chaste (the ‘fact’ she is alleged to have been sexually exploited while under hypnotic control does not alter this), and that a spirit entered into her to generate the conception. Yet, Laura and company don’t appear to pursue the Qur’an as being a set of channeled revelations which give expression to Truth.
The foregoing is especially interesting in light of the way Laura extols the teachings of Ibn al-‘Arabi (may God be pleased with him). After all, how does one separate the ideas of Ibn al-'Arabi (may God be pleased with him) concerning the Sufi path from his perspective in relation to Islam when Ibn al-‘Arabi (may God be pleased with him), himself, attested that the former was the esoteric dimension of Islam.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Is there any special power or advantage in praying in the name of Jesus?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, if he didn't die and release his spirit into the earth plane, how is this power conferred?
A: Prayers go to him.
[Comment - How do these prayers reach their destination? What is the medium of communication?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) And what does he do when he hears the prayers?
A: Determines their necessity against background of individual soul development.
[Comment - How does he accomplish this? How does he determine the necessity of a prayer against an individual's background? What are the criteria for determining such necessity?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) You say that when a person prays to Jesus that he makes some sort of a decision, is that correct?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) Well, how can he do that when millions of people are praying to him simultaneously?
A: Soul division.
[Comment - Why does the soul have to divide in order for prayers to be answered? If an individual is one with Divinity - as one would presume Jesus (peace be upon him) to be - then, why does the soul have to divide? Why wouldn't the source of the answer be Divine?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) What do you mean by soul division?
A: Self explanatory.
[Comment - Actually, the idea of 'soul division' is not self-explanatory. At best (that is, assuming that what they are saying has some element of truth to it), the Cassiopaeans have provided a description of something ... not an explanation.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Do you mean soul division as in cellular meiosis where a cell splits and replicates itself?
A: No.
Q: (L) Does Jesus' soul divide?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) How many times does it divide?
A: Endlessly as a projection of consciousness.
[Comment - How does consciousness project the soul? What is meant by the idea of projecting the soul? What is consciousness, and is it more fundamental than the soul?
Does this mean that consciousness is one while the soul is divided? If so, isn't this really another way of saying that multiple manifestations arise from one underlying reality, and, if so, then, what need is there to speak of the soul having to divide?
Why does the soul have to be projected? Why not just consciousness? In other words, what is the soul bringing to the table that isn't already being handled by consciousness?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) And what happens to this piece of soul that is divided or projected?
A: Is not a piece of a soul.
Q: (L) What is it?
A: It is a replication.
Q: (L) Is each replication exactly identical to the original?
A: Yes. And no.
[Comment - In what way 'yes', and in what way 'no'? How does a soul get replicated? ]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) In what way is the replicated soul different from the original?
A: Not able to give individual attention.
[Comment - if the soul replication is not capable of giving individual attention, then, how does it go about determining “their necessity against background of individual soul development ion” as was said above? How can one understand the needfulness of the prayer against a background of individual soul development unless one can offer individual attention? In addition, what power is it that permits Jesus (peace be upon him) in his occluded state to grant prayers, and where did this power come from, and what, if any, are its limits, and what determines the need of an individual prayer that is considered to be worthy of being answered?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) Are any of us able to replicate in this manner if we so desire?
A: Could if in same circumstance. The way the process works is thus: When Jesus left the earth plane, he went into another dimension or density of reality, whereupon all "rules" regarding the awareness of time and space are entirely different from the way they are perceived in your reality. A "Time warp cocoon, if you will.
[ Comment - What is meant by: "if in same circumstance"? Why is the process of replication dependent on circumstance rather than some quality or potential of a human being? Are the Cassiopaeans saying something similar to: 'Necessity is the mother of invention'? If so, then, just how does necessity give birth to invention?]
What is a 'time warp coccoon'? To be in a state of spiritual occlusion (hiding) - as is said (in reference to Jesus - peace be upon him) in the Sufi teachings - is just as descriptive and explanatory as the idea of a ‘time warp cocoon’. In truth, neither one of these two concepts (i.e., spiritual occlusion and time warp cocoon) is really all that understandable, but, at the same time, neither one precludes the possibility that the other alternative may be true, and, as such, may just be different ways of alluding to a certain, hard-to-understand reality concerning the current ontological status of Jesus - peace be upon him.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) At this point in space time his soul which was/is still in the physical realm, was placed in a state of something akin to suspended animation and a sort of advanced form of unconsciousness.
[Comment - why ‘suspended animation and a sort of advanced form of unconsciouness’? What necessitates this? Why can’t one be in a ‘time warp cocoon without being in a state of suspended animation? - How does one analyze the needfulness of a prayer against the background of individual soul development when one is in an advanced form of unconsciousness?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) From that point to the present his soul has been replicated from a state of this unconsciousness in order that all who call upon him or need to be with him or need to speak to him can do so on an individual basis. His soul can be replicated ad infinitum--as many times as needed. The replication process produces a state of hyper- consciousness in each and every version of the soul consciousness.
[Comment - How does this soul replication take place? Who or what makes it happen? Why complicate matters by speaking about a soul replication - why can’t the soul be a multi-channel entity which, like a computer server, is capable of handling millions, if not billions of hits almost simultaneously? The idea of soul replication seems to violate Okham’s razor by unnecessarily multiplying assumptions - although, to be sure, Okham’s razor is a methodological device and not an ontological necessity.]
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) So, you are saying that Jesus is in a state of suspension, voluntarily, in another plane of existence, having chosen to give up his life on this plane in order to continuously generate replications of his soul pattern for other people to call upon for assistance? A sort of "template generator?"
A: Yes. Precisely.
Q: (L) If one calls upon him more than once, does one get a double dose?
A: Define.
Q: (L) If one repeatedly calls upon Jesus does one get repeated replications or additional strength, power or whatever?
A: No. Once one has truly made the connection, that's all that's needed.
[Comment - How does the connection get ‘truly made’?
(From the Cassiopaeans) Q: (L) This is an interesting concept. Has any other soul volunteered to perform this work?
[Comment - To whom or what does one volunteer? Do all who volunteer for such duty get accepted? If not, why not ... what are the conditions of acceptance?]
(From the Cassiopaeans) A: Yes. 12 at the present "time."
Q: (L) Can you name any of the others?
A: Buddha. Moses. Shintanhilmoon. Nagaillikiga. Others; Varying degrees; Jesus is the strongest currently.
[Comment - Why not list them all? Nearly half the 'secret' has already been spilled, so, why be mysterious about the other seven names? Twelve seems to be rather a small number given the many Prophets and saints who have populated the Earth over thousands of years of human existence.
What is it that makes Jesus (peace be upon him) the strongest since, obviously, the Cassiopaeans do not believe that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God? If answering a prayer is merely a matter of evaluating the necessity against a background of soul development, then, what does 'strength' have to do with anything? What is the nature of this 'strength'?
In any event, it is interesting that the name Muhammad (peace be upon him) is not mentioned here even though Laura and company believe that the Sufis are the closest of any set of ideas which they have come across to what they believe the Cassiopaeans are teaching and even though all the authentic Sufi shaykhs - including ibn al-'Arabi (peace be upon him) consider the Prophet to be the shaykh of all shaykhs. It also is interesting that one of the few references to Muhammad (peace be upon him) in the Cassiopaean site that I have found is a negative one in which the Prophet is described as authoritarian and controlling ... even though absolutely no evidence is given by Laura to back up this claim. It is also interesting that there is nothing which comes up when one does a Google search of the names: Shintanhilmoon and Nagaillikiga except for the Cassiopaean site, itself.]
(From Laura Knight-Jadczyk) I came across the following passage in Manly Hall's exhaustive compendium, The Secret Teachings of All Ages:
"According to popular conception, Jesus was crucified during the thirty-third year of His life and in the third year of His ministry following his baptism. About AD 180, St. Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons, one of the most eminent of the ante-Nicene theologians, wrote Against Heresies , an attack on the doctrines of the Gnostics. In this work, Irenaeus declared upon the authority of the Apostles themselves that Jesus lived to old age. To quote:
“...those who were conversant in Asia with John, the disciple of the Lord, affirming that John conveyed to them that information. And He remained among them up to the time of Trajan. Some of them, moreover, saw not only John, but the other apostles also, and heard the very same account from them, and bear testimony as to the validity of the statement. Whom then should we rather believe? Whether such men as these or Ptolemaeus, who never saw the apostles, and who never even in his dreams attained to the slightest trace of an apostle?"
[Comment - While we are focusing on the question of who is to believed, one might keep in mind that the foregoing contradicts what the Cassiopaeans seem to have said - namely, that after 96 hours in a comatose state, Jesus (peace be upon him) was taken up into a mother spaceship on a beam of light and now exists in a state of suspended animation in a time warp cocoon. Well, did Jesus (peace be upon himi) live into old age as the anti-Nicene crowd believe, or was he taken up into a mother ship, or did something else happen?]
(From Von Hassler) “Of course! It is Tiu, the god whom the early Germans recalled when they made up the calendar and named one day of the week after him: Tuesday. Otherwise he has been overshadowed by the ever-present Wotan-Odin, as the highest Ruler of the Heavens. This replacement took place, at the latest, during the Volkerwanderung, the Great Migration that caused a gigantic upheaval of populations on the Eurasian land mass. We may even assume that, just because Tiu (or Ziu) was removed heavenward, the very vigorous Wotan managed to take his place in human imagination and thought. It was a fate that Wotan experienced himself later on, when missionaries cut down the very oaks that had been dedicated to his divine presence. "Tiu-Ziu was just as much one of the Aesir as Wotan had been. And the Aesir had even managed to infiltrate the antagonist worlds of Egypt and Mesopotamia, representing the sun and divine wisdom.”
(From Laura Knight-Jadczyk) Over thousands of years, they passed on a handful of names. No doubt, precisely how much and what one name or another had originally meant may simply have been forgotten over the long, long years.
(From Von Hassler) "If we concentrate on the godlike of God Ziu, we discover the following points:
Zius was the highest god of northern Europe;
As Zeus, he was the highest god of ancient Greece;
As Jupiter (Iu-Pitar = Tius-Pater) he was the Father God of ancient Rome;
As Deus (from which we derive 'Deity') he was the basic concept of the heavenly, the only Deity in the Latin liturgy of the Church, and the God in all Romance languages, as well as in the word 'theology')
As Ometeotle (again, 'theology' is closely related) he was the highest god of the Mayan culture.
As Cinteotl and God of Corn he is equivalent to Quetzalcoatl, the WHITE GOD;
As TONATIUH, he was the Sun God, who provided the Aztecs with a sort of Valhalla for their war dead.
As Xiuhtecutli, he was the Fire God of ancient Mexico.
As Tirawa-Atius, the highest divinity of the Pawnee, he was credited with populating the world with 'giants.'
As Tieholtsodi, the monster who caused the Deluge and ruled all waters, he exists in the traditions of the Navajos;
As Szeu-kha, he is the son of the Creator-God whom the Pima Indians knew as floating above the Deluge;
As the falcon Tiuh-Tiuh of the Guatemaltec Indians he mixed the blood of a snake with that of a tapir, kneaded it with corn-flour and 'thus created the flesh of man.' This tribe says that it came from Tulan, the Place of the Sun, across the sea.
"All of this narrows down to one conclusion - which nevertheless is not definitive - and that is: our old Tuesday God, Tiu, was a divine Ruler-God in primeval times and his name imprinted itself so deeply into human memory that it has survived thousands upon thousands of years." [Von Hassler, 1976]
[Comment - Perhaps, the foregoing sort of search is pointed in the wrong direction. In other words, maybe, one should be looking elsewhere than at the the etymology of names associated with this or that culture's manner of referring to Divinity. Cultural hermeneutics of spiritual metaphysics and ontology is one thing, and the Reality to which such hermeneutical systems refer may be quite another matter.
The 'fact' - if that is what it is - that the name Tiu (or etymological derivatives) is associated with a concept involving a Divine Ruler-God has imprinted itself deeply into human memory may say nothing at all about what the actual nature of Ontology or Metaphysics may be. Theologies are theoretical attempts to describe and explain Reality, and such attempts do not necessarily give expression to the Truth]
(From Laura Knight-Jadczyk) the question that arose in my mind was not whether or not this was the name of a Divine Ruler in primeval times, but whether or not the Cassiopeans had given us a clue to an actual Sect that had members who might be thousands of years old - and by giving us this name, were they telling us that such an immortal was the actual biological father of Jesus? So, what this amounted to was an interesting thread relating to the "bloodline" of Jesus. Where will it ultimately lead? Who and what was this "Tonatha" who bears one of the oldest names of God?
[Comment - Why couldn’t the name 'Tonatha' - assuming, of course, that it has any relevance to Jesus (peace be upon him) whatsoever - refer to a Divine spirit (such as an angel or other form of being) in a manner similar to the Qur’an when the latter addresses the issue of the conceiving of Jesus (peace be upon him)? Such a spirit is neither Divinity, per se, nor necessarily human kind.
As such, it would be correct to say that Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God incarnate, but, rather, a created manifestation, born of the relationship between a human being and a “spirit” of some kind. Maybe, all of the alien attempts to create hybrids - to whatever extent this may be true - is an attempt to recreate this original event involving the origins of Jesus (peace be upon him), but such attempts are being done on the basis of a misunderstanding concerning the nature of the aforementioned event and, as a result, has beeen translated or re-framed according to the agenda or purposes of the alien geneticists.]
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